jim, you know this. when in the last four or five years has this president come out for any entitlement reforms, any reduction in tax rates. i don't think he wants a deal because he has never put anything on the table. >> jim, real fast. you say you are are an optimist. when do we return to real growth? give you 20 seconds. >> get bac growth very shortly if there is any kind of silver lining that comes out of this where people start negotiating on those important terms. in spite of what we he have seen out here, the economy has been doing okay. it could be much better. steve can tell you much better than i could. but, it has survived this. and it has even in some points thrived. we he can have much more growth. much more sustained growth if we can get the policymakers, it's not just dumb policy, steve, it's dumb policymakers who don't -- >> we're on dangerous turf now. steve moore, jim news sell, gentlemen, thanks very much indeed. once the deal is done the focus comments right back to obama care and all